Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[CannabisMingus]

Because it's comparing the same thing.

I'm a bit out of my wheelhouse on this, but I'm not sure that's accurate. I have heard you can get wide ranging phenotypic variation in cuttings, but I will defer to those who grow that way. I'm strictly an auto and seed guy.

 

[AJrexxx]

You may be right, or not. Where I live craft wineries are popular. I was surprised to find 3 within less than 30 minutes of me. And they are a trend that seems to have not only taken hold but thrive. It's a niche market, but so is craft canna. I agree, it will never be big, but those who truly appreciate good canna for more than getting high, there will be a market. Unless...... greed over prices it!

I completely agree some will thrive but it will not be with the dispensary model. Craft beer, wine(didn't hit its stride till snobs admitted cheap wine can be good. the average buyer isn't dropping 70-300 a bottle), even cigars if you look back far enough to trends. They will all survive but they are not what they were.

Craft cannabis will be available and I would bet it will be pricey compared to the new normal market. Regardless the price in the market RJ Reynolds is not going to be undersold. It is how these business models work especially when big players move in. That is my concern. If it becomes a very niche market it will cost more that will put some people out of the market( I believe everyone should have access to top shelf).

That is why I am glad the community here is so large and diverse because instead of depending on the market you can create your own top shelf and not have to worry about it. The real question is after marketing and the watering down of the market will your grandchildren know what quality cannabis is or will it just be something rich people smoke?

I hope I am wrong but history tends to repeat itself over and over.

 

[mdabber]

I think you can get genertc drift. In humans we have epigenetics and certain experience or environments switch on and off genetics loads the gun environment pulls the trigger like how some people smoke and get cancer and some smoke and don't. Same thing can be happening with plants. I mean even feed changes flavor and resin content. @CannabisMingus

 

[CannabisMingus]

That is why I am glad the community here is so large and diverse because instead of depending on the market you can create your own top shelf and not have to worry about it.

 

[Les @HLG]

My point proven, thank you! And interesting info!

Bald Monkey has a strain called Thai Passion that uses a landrace Thai that auto flowers as the source…

 

[Les @HLG]

No, i don't believe in 1 in 1000 strains because grow 1000 plants and I'll find you at least 10 worthy plants. I'm not against clones, I'm against marketing hype conning people into believing they've got the pinnacle of a particular strain. Selling clones of something you selected froma group of plants is fine, and is most likely a fine example of that strain. But when the genetics are kept exclusive, that's all about money, not getting great weed to the people. The fact that that clone can be created by someone else by using the same strains to breed with says to me that we're being told the clone is "the best there is" is like saying my apple pie is better than yours..... but it's made with the same ingredients.......

I agree with alot of what you said @Les @HLG but don't you think there are some clones only you could never find again like are 1 in a 1000? Like the strain GMO. I mean even the dispensary here gets 30percent on it. But I think you are right we don't want to lose the genetic diversity. I think having the clone only is about trying a strain everyone has had. It also gives you a chance as a grower to show if you can do it better than everyone else. Because it's comparing the same thing. I know about generic drift with clones you were talking about that. But yah all those clone only were seed at one point so plant more seeds.

 

[Sour D]

IMHO, I think if the US doesn't legalize soon, you will see a lot of the big boys dropping out. In order for them to survive, they need to sell lots of product and while they are producing it, they are oversaturating the market and just driving prices down. Their investors aren't going to put up with it for long. They are all about $$$ and could give 2 shitz about being the biggest swinging dick. They all thought they would be selling $3k a lb. They are far from that now. The small craft farms that can quickly switch to growing other crops in a downturn, should be able to survive.

 

[CannabisMingus]

IMHO, I think if the US doesn't legalize soon, you will see a lot of the big boys dropping out.

Man that would be something. We can hope.

 

[AJrexxx]

No, i don't believe in 1 in 1000 strains because grow 1000 plants and I'll find you at least 10 worthy plants. I'm not against clones, I'm against marketing hype conning people into believing they've got the pinnacle of a particular strain. Selling clones of something you selected froma group of plants is fine, and is most likely a fine example of that strain. But when the genetics are kept exclusive, that's all about money, not getting great weed to the people. The fact that that clone can be created by someone else by using the same strains to breed with says to me that we're being told the clone is "the best there is" is like saying my apple pie is better than yours..... but it's made with the same ingredients.......

Very well articulated. Was the point I was trying to make before I got on a financial tangent.

 

[AJrexxx]

IMHO, I think if the US doesn't legalize soon, you will see a lot of the big boys dropping out. In order for them to survive, they need to sell lots of product and while they are producing it, they are oversaturating the market and just driving prices down. Their investors aren't going to put up with it for long. They are all about $$$ and could give 2 shitz about being the biggest swinging dick. They all thought they would be selling $3k a lb. They are far from that now. The small craft farms that can quickly switch to growing other crops in a downturn, should be able to survive.

Your are right in the current environment, but the real big boys are not here yet. RJ Reynolds and Altria (they right 100 million dollar checks yearly for settlements and still make more money than any of us fathom) have been sitting on the sidelines waiting they have billions at their disposal and do not have to make money for a decade before they will pull out. If you doubt this read their latest annual reports. They have been talking about this for almost 5 years that I know of. They want it federally legal that way they are not bowing to the states and they can just pay their stamp tax like on Tobacco and distribute in their current model.

When they get involved they will be growing by the ton not the lb and they only need to make .25 a package. That is how scale always destroys products.