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I never top, but I forgot to mention training techniques. I always LST. From around three weeks. I have lstd very early and eeen others doing it. But from my experience it’s best to wait until it’s around three weeks. Try to keep all the branches growing evenly. This way each branch receives the same amount of light. Also, I’d use coco coir. Since I started using that I yield on avg 6oz per plant in a 2x4thanks for ur help sound good and make sense im also trying new things expermenting as u saw in my pic i have one thats been topped i have one thats been lst and i have 2 that just no top no lst nothing genetic is big difference im thinking it plays a big role