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[Fermented_Fruitz]

Also luckily just checked and last 2 monkey fans will be here by end of business Wednesday! Then can swap to low and have 1 on each tent pole plus 2 in floor blowing up! Having ac in my room and an intake fan on high side of humidity controller noticed instead of 80ish in tent was like 74 and even tho ac in room is on 75 when I unzipped tent to water with the fans in there now temp dropped to 70 and that was during lights on!

 

[slowandeasy]

I believe I responded yesterday, but want to stress that for a plant to go bad that quickly...it is most likey Root related. That plant had a rapid change of some kind that effected the root system. That is why asked if the stem was broken anywhere. Sometime scrogging can snap stems or even break the main stem. Root rot or stem rot are possible. In Juniors a healthy plant will drink its Rez within a day or 2 when in full veg and flower. Normally slowing down only near the end of life typically. So an abrupt change in health is without changing lights or anythine else, typically means root related. Not eorth trying to save most plants that have drastic negative changes. Good luck, slow

 

[MrOldBoy]

Mark i don‘t have enough knowledge / experience, indoors with weed, to give you an honest answer on Springtails - I do know they eat dead plant matter and help breakdown that matter .....

I have ton of them in my leaf mold pile in the outdoor vegetable garden - when I make up a batch of “transplant soil“ for my garden seedlings the springtails are mixed in the soil that I transplant the seedlings into ...... never had issue them ...... but I’m digging a hole, drop seed lying into and fill back with mix - but this is an outdoor example and nature has a way of balancing everything out IF YOU DON’T try to outsmart Mother Nature by using chemical fertilizers and insecticides ......I can add I’ve seen in my worm bin as well, if I keep bin too damp, and I use those castings inside but never saw any bad side effects in my earthboxes or the few cloth pots either ....

BUT to rid soil of pests there are a few ways - I’ve only read about these and would try first on some vegetable plants before a i would try on a high value crop - here they are:

To rid your compost or soil of unwanted pests some folks put in a warmed oven about 225 degrees for 15 minutes (turn oven off after 2 minutes but leave soil inside) ..... Or they will pour boiling water thru the dirt - compost ...... Or third idea is to run hydrogen peroxide thru the soil - it will kill them dead ......

Issue with all three ideas is that it kills the beneficials as well but in an extreme cause such as yours, maybe hydro peroxide would help - as I’m writing I think of a pinch of epsom salt added to the hydro may help .....

Wish I had the answer - gardening is one big experiment my friend?

 

[Fermented_Fruitz]

I believe I responded yesterday, but want to stress that for a plant to go bad that quickly...it is most likey Root related. That plant had a rapid change of some kind that effected the root system. That is why asked if the stem was broken anywhere. Sometime scrogging can snap stems or even break the main stem. Root rot or stem rot are possible. In Juniors a healthy plant will drink its Rez within a day or 2 when in full veg and flower. Normally slowing down only near the end of life typically. So an abrupt change in health is without changing lights or anythine else, typically means root related. Not eorth trying to save most plants that have drastic negative changes. Good luck, slow

That’s what I was figuring too! Wasn’t focusing on trying to save it so much as trying to save the soil that has those damn springtails so I do t gotta chunk my worms! Anyone ever used that Amazing Dr Zymes? Have that and was told by guy at local shop to use it to kill the eggs! Dr zymes said the worms won’t be happy if I use it but rather u happy for a little bit than chunking and starting with new worms! I did figure out a way to empty the full res on big box so sucked all the water out! Now think I need to take off a bunch of the top where it’s dried out now but clearly see little white spots I’m pretty sure are eggs! At least my ghetto truck worked

2’ of pvc pipe gorilla taped to end of shop vac hose and voila! Sucked it empty and going to toss water out back and rinse vacuum! Gonna clean that soil bin and go exchange compost AND INSPECT BAG BEFORE LEAVING THIS TIME! Also the water coming out thru vacuuming was lil more violent than pouring it how I started and I could def smell some stinky ass water! Think that fish shit stuff in the big box is a no no going forward. That’s only thing I can come up with is keeping reservoir full with that stuff in there it just sat too long and went bad! Does that sound like a possibility? I think it says can use on hydro but that would obv have an air stone adding oxygen to help prevent it just sitting! My thoughts anyways?!?

 

[MrOldBoy]

I believe I responded yesterday, but want to stress that for a plant to go bad that quickly...it is most likey Root related. That plant had a rapid change of some kind that effected the root system. That is why asked if the stem was broken anywhere. Sometime scrogging can snap stems or even break the main stem. Root rot or stem rot are possible. In Juniors a healthy plant will drink its Rez within a day or 2 when in full veg and flower. Normally slowing down only near the end of life typically. So an abrupt change in health is without changing lights or anythine else, typically means root related. Not eorth trying to save most plants that have drastic negative changes. Good luck, slow

Suspect the same - don’t think it’s related to any bugs - my main suspect is the kool aid that’s in the water - suspect two is lurking about the stem - did it get damaged, which I doubt - even if it’s stem root, it was just too quick .....

Main suspect is plant drank something bad or had its main artery damaged in some way ..... logic tells me the plant has plenty of roots and even if you cut off half the roots it will still live - we do this with seedlings when two pop in same small start tray - we separate them by tearing soil ball in half - they do just fine - another example and back in the garden but two days ago I noticed three zinnia plants next to each other - I pulled two right out of ground - found new locations and dropped into the hole and watered - they are doing great - point is our plants are very resilient and for something to go from 100mph to 0mph something major happened - i know if I dropped a1/2 gallon vinegar into the reservoir the next morning I would be witnessing some similar to what Mark is - I know he didn’t put vinegar into the tank but something was afoul with the water, something - and it makes sense we know the roots are all over inside the box and those feeder roots are the life line of the plant.

 

[slowandeasy]

That’s what I was figuring too! Wasn’t focusing on trying to save it so much as trying to save the soil that has those damn springtails so I do t gotta chunk my worms! Anyone ever used that Amazing Dr Zymes? Have that and was told by guy at local shop to use it to kill the eggs! Dr zymes said the worms won’t be happy if I use it but rather u happy for a little bit than chunking and starting with new worms! I did figure out a way to empty the full res on big box so sucked all the water out! Now think I need to take off a bunch of the top where it’s dried out now but clearly see little white spots I’m pretty sure are eggs! At least my ghetto truck worked
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2’ of pvc pipe gorilla taped to end of shop vac hose and voila! Sucked it empty and going to toss water out back and rinse vacuum! Gonna clean that soil bin and go exchange compost AND INSPECT BAG BEFORE LEAVING THIS TIME! Also the water coming out thru vacuuming was lil more violent than pouring it how I started and I could def smell some stinky ass water! Think that fish shit stuff in the big box is a no no going forward. That’s only thing I can come up with is keeping reservoir full with that stuff in there it just sat too long and went bad! Does that sound like a possibility? I think it says can use on hydro but that would obv have an air stone adding oxygen to help prevent it just sitting! My thoughts anyways?!?

Springtails are usually beneficial. Is that the only plant reacting this way? I am not convinced it is from the springtails.

 

[Fermented_Fruitz]

Suspect the same - don’t think it’s related to any bugs - my main suspect is the kool aid that’s in the water - suspect two is lurking about the stem - did it get damaged, which I doubt - even if it’s stem root, it was just too quick .....

Main suspect is plant drank something bad or had its main artery damaged in some way ..... logic tells me the plant has plenty of roots and even if you cut off half the roots it will still live - we do this with seedlings when two pop in same small start tray - we separate them by tearing soil ball in half - they do just fine - another example and back in the garden but two days ago I noticed three zinnia plants next to each other - I pulled two right out of ground - found new locations and dropped into the hole and watered - they are doing great - point is our plants are very resilient and for something to go from 100mph to 0mph something major happened - i know if I dropped a1/2 gallon vinegar into the reservoir the next morning I would be witnessing some similar to what Mark is - I know he didn’t put vinegar into the tank but something was afoul with the water, something - and it makes sense we know the roots are all over inside the box and those feeder roots are the life line of the plant.

I’m thinking it was using that fish shit stuff and it went bad in there! Especially the way leaving in a milk jug for like 24hrs before I dumped the small amount that was left the milk jug looked like it was gonna explode cuz all the walls were puffed out! When I was sucking the water out using the vacuum I could smell that nasty ass fish shit stuff as it went thru the vacuum! Already stinks but this was foul! Does that sound like coulda jacked the roots up if it was drinking that nasty water??

 

[Fermented_Fruitz]

Yup only plant with an issue and it’s in its own tent! And I didn’t say springtails were necessarily bad but did notice since they showed up I wasn’t seeing worms just below the surface like I had been! Figured like if mites infest really bad how it won’t hurt the worms but just bugs em where they stay deeper in the soil! Well in other news I think I maybe figured out the trick to bringin soil to life while baking it!

 

[MrOldBoy]

That’s what I was figuring too! Wasn’t focusing on trying to save it so much as trying to save the soil that has those damn springtails so I do t gotta chunk my worms! Anyone ever used that Amazing Dr Zymes? Have that and was told by guy at local shop to use it to kill the eggs! Dr zymes said the worms won’t be happy if I use it but rather u happy for a little bit than chunking and starting with new worms! I did figure out a way to empty the full res on big box so sucked all the water out! Now think I need to take off a bunch of the top where it’s dried out now but clearly see little white spots I’m pretty sure are eggs! At least my ghetto truck worked
View attachment 1189456
2’ of pvc pipe gorilla taped to end of shop vac hose and voila! Sucked it empty and going to toss water out back and rinse vacuum! Gonna clean that soil bin and go exchange compost AND INSPECT BAG BEFORE LEAVING THIS TIME! Also the water coming out thru vacuuming was lil more violent than pouring it how I started and I could def smell some stinky ass water! Think that fish shit stuff in the big box is a no no going forward. That’s only thing I can come up with is keeping reservoir full with that stuff in there it just sat too long and went bad! Does that sound like a possibility? I think it says can use on hydro but that would obv have an air stone adding oxygen to help prevent it just sitting! My thoughts anyways?!?

If you are asking how to empty reservoir or should you empty a BIG YES to empty ....

To empty just tilt box up and all the water will run out drain hole - I had one box that I did this with when I noticed a foul smell thru the filler tube -

I often smell things to check if all is good - I sniff my pups ears as an example and soil - lots of things, some which we will not discuss here, hehe!

 

[Builder0101]

That is harsh. I hope you figure out the issue so you can avoid repeating it. I can't find anything about springtails that indicate damage. All I find is they are indifferent.